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Post by X17Clones on Oct 12, 2013 21:47:30 GMT -8
@suki Perhaps you forgot that Lucifer's form in the Star Arcana is before he fell. On top of that, Teddie did have a nice chit chat with Igor and I'm pretty sure Igor would have noticed something. Lucifer also generally has mismatched eye colours as well. As well, Narpy loves to pretend to be other people, so really if he had any hand in the events of Persona 3 and 4, it's creating Erebus, Nyx, and the Fog as various ways of trying to destroy the Earth in an attempt to win his bet with Philemon. On top of being the Shadows to the main characters. Anyway, having Lucifer as a major player in the Persona series would take away some of it's uniqueness from the main series of games where Lucifer generally is a major player. 1)Helel is still Lucifer. Just another form really. Even then, Louis Cypher resembles more the Helel persona than the Lucifer one. 2)Knowing Igor, he probably DID notice, but didn't show it; he only has one expression it seems. 3)I'm looking through his designs and only in his appearance in Strange Journey does he has mismatched eyes; the rest are blue or atleast a very light blue. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough, but it seems blue to me. Besides, even in his Adult form, he still does blue eyes, so that's something. 4)I don't think Nyarly did that much. I mean, he probably gave them a little push but that's probably about it. Also, last I checked, wasn't stuff like the Fall because of Mitsuru's grandfather? And I don't think he was the shadows either. The only case I can think of that was in Persona 4 Arena. (probably not even making sense) Louis Cyphre from the Shin Megami Tensei remake. Look at the right eye and you'll see red. You also have to remember Lucifer doesn't always pick being a dude with blonde hair, blue eyes. In Strange Journey he appeared as a girl, and well, in SMT IV he appeared as something else as well. That's true about Helel being another form of his. Unless Teddie is just Lucifer before he fell. There's always that possibility. Igor is a finicky bastard, for all we know he's just let others do all the work for him because he's just really lazy. Though, you have to consider the lengths Nyarly went in Persona 2. It really was a little push. It was basically direct involvement. You're right on the fact that he's probably not the shadows in Persona 4 though. In Arena, could very well be him. If he does come back, he's coming back in a big way.
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Post by Suki Desu on Oct 12, 2013 22:06:09 GMT -8
1)Helel is still Lucifer. Just another form really. Even then, Louis Cypher resembles more the Helel persona than the Lucifer one. 2)Knowing Igor, he probably DID notice, but didn't show it; he only has one expression it seems. 3)I'm looking through his designs and only in his appearance in Strange Journey does he has mismatched eyes; the rest are blue or atleast a very light blue. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough, but it seems blue to me. Besides, even in his Adult form, he still does blue eyes, so that's something. 4)I don't think Nyarly did that much. I mean, he probably gave them a little push but that's probably about it. Also, last I checked, wasn't stuff like the Fall because of Mitsuru's grandfather? And I don't think he was the shadows either. The only case I can think of that was in Persona 4 Arena. (probably not even making sense) Louis Cyphre from the Shin Megami Tensei remake. Look at the right eye and you'll see red. You also have to remember Lucifer doesn't always pick being a dude with blonde hair, blue eyes. In Strange Journey he appeared as a girl, and well, in SMT IV he appeared as something else as well. That's true about Helel being another form of his. Unless Teddie is just Lucifer before he fell. There's always that possibility. Igor is a finicky bastard, for all we know he's just let others do all the work for him because he's just really lazy. Though, you have to consider the lengths Nyarly went in Persona 2. It really was a little push. It was basically direct involvement. You're right on the fact that he's probably not the shadows in Persona 4 though. In Arena, could very well be him. If he does come back, he's coming back in a big way. That's true, but then you have this, and this. Both of these forms have a light blue eye color too them. I can't find a good enough picture of his other two forms, but those show that the eye color aren't red. I think he just changes eye color for shits and giggles. Although, the idea of Teddie being a nonfallen Lucifer is kinda interesting, not gonna lie. And yeah, P4Arena all but stated that Nyarly can take the form of people's shadow. I know that, in Kanji's route, Kanji fought against his Shadow again but when he defeated him, he noted how he could actually use his Persona during the fight, which was odd 'cause wasn't his Shadow his persona? And then immediately after that, the Shadow actually sorta changed his voice from the campy-high pitched voice to a much deeper voice and was talking about how to change personas back into shadows and then just left like an asshole. I doubt that he was the character's shadows in the P4, because that doesn't exactly seem right to me. But in Arena? Yeah, that has to be him.
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Post by Excalibur Tenno on Oct 12, 2013 22:26:26 GMT -8
Boompig, Thunderhog, can you guys both chill out before things get outta hand?
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Post by TXA on Oct 13, 2013 4:29:03 GMT -8
Boompig, Thunderhog, can you guys both chill out before things get outta hand? Absolutely.
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Post by Derpy Hooves on Oct 13, 2013 6:02:53 GMT -8
Boompig, Thunderhog, can you guys both chill out before things get outta hand? Neither of them have said anything that is uncalled for. Someone brought up a point. Boompig answered. Thunderhog joined in. Nothing wrong.
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Post by Soapbar on Oct 13, 2013 6:11:28 GMT -8
Boompig, Thunderhog, can you guys both chill out before things get outta hand? Neither of them have said anything that is uncalled for. Someone brought up a point. Boompig answered. Thunderhog joined in. Nothing wrong. I think he was referring to the fact that Thunderhog brought another arguement, from another thread, into this thread.
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Post by SteaminFeline56 on Oct 13, 2013 6:25:44 GMT -8
I was playing Pokemon Y today, and I was at the castle/mansion where you have to get the Poke Flute (I forgot the name of it). In the garden there is a statue of Reshiram and Zekrom, the legendaries from Black and White, and one of the NPC's mentions that Unova and Kalos have interacted in the time that the King of this castle was alive. I have a strong suspicion that this is in fact not a coincidence that those 2 regions would have a past together. The evidence of that is that Unova is based on New York, the fact that it's in America is an important part of this theory, and Kalos is based on France. The American Revolution would not have been won without the help of the French, and the French Revolution was directly inspired from the American one. Also, the fact that the palace is obviously based on the Palace of Versailles (which was still inhabited by a King during the American Revolution) seems to be further evidence. My conclusion is, the fact that those 2 statues of Gen 5's Legendaries were in that area made a pretty cool historical reference, whether it be intentional or not.
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Post by Not The Water Waka on Oct 13, 2013 6:53:29 GMT -8
What are you basing this on. It was mentioned in Black/White that Unova was built by a giant dragon (Which eventually spilt off into Reshiram and Zekrom) which could potentially be the Dark Dragon that destroyed and rebuilt the world in Mother 3. Unova could be the center as the legend is rooted in the region and Unova is far more urban than any other reigon, much like New Pork City. Plus Mother 3 seems to be a recurring theme in Black/White 1 (Certain songs being rather similar, Tessie cameoing as the Waitress sprite, Drilbur most likely being based on the Reconstructed Mole) so I kinda just made the whole thing up because I can. I'm not saying it's a sound theory, hell there is probably some aspect that I completely missed that renders it null, it's just something that popped into my head once. (I do think New Pork City is away from the Nowhere Islands as you have explored pretty much all of it by the time you go to new pork city and you get flown there.) ...wow.
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Post by Excalibur Tenno on Oct 13, 2013 7:17:29 GMT -8
Boompig, Thunderhog, can you guys both chill out before things get outta hand? Neither of them have said anything that is uncalled for. Someone brought up a point. Boompig answered. Thunderhog joined in. Nothing wrong. Yeah, but if the argument kept going, there's a chance that one of them will say something uncalled for.
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Post by X17Clones on Oct 13, 2013 14:11:29 GMT -8
Louis Cyphre from the Shin Megami Tensei remake. Look at the right eye and you'll see red. You also have to remember Lucifer doesn't always pick being a dude with blonde hair, blue eyes. In Strange Journey he appeared as a girl, and well, in SMT IV he appeared as something else as well. That's true about Helel being another form of his. Unless Teddie is just Lucifer before he fell. There's always that possibility. Igor is a finicky bastard, for all we know he's just let others do all the work for him because he's just really lazy. Though, you have to consider the lengths Nyarly went in Persona 2. It really was a little push. It was basically direct involvement. You're right on the fact that he's probably not the shadows in Persona 4 though. In Arena, could very well be him. If he does come back, he's coming back in a big way. That's true, but then you have this, and this. Both of these forms have a light blue eye color too them. I can't find a good enough picture of his other two forms, but those show that the eye color aren't red. I think he just changes eye color for shits and giggles. Although, the idea of Teddie being a nonfallen Lucifer is kinda interesting, not gonna lie. And yeah, P4Arena all but stated that Nyarly can take the form of people's shadow. I know that, in Kanji's route, Kanji fought against his Shadow again but when he defeated him, he noted how he could actually use his Persona during the fight, which was odd 'cause wasn't his Shadow his persona? And then immediately after that, the Shadow actually sorta changed his voice from the campy-high pitched voice to a much deeper voice and was talking about how to change personas back into shadows and then just left like an asshole. I doubt that he was the character's shadows in the P4, because that doesn't exactly seem right to me. But in Arena? Yeah, that has to be him. I admit defeat! Hopefully, we'll see a bit more of Nyarly in the updated version of P4A. But yeah, Lucifer does like to change his eyes, for some reason I thought it was just a permanent red eye and a blue eye. Though, he does like to pose as other people evident in SMT IV.
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Post by Suki Desu on Oct 13, 2013 14:38:29 GMT -8
That's true, but then you have this, and this. Both of these forms have a light blue eye color too them. I can't find a good enough picture of his other two forms, but those show that the eye color aren't red. I think he just changes eye color for shits and giggles. Although, the idea of Teddie being a nonfallen Lucifer is kinda interesting, not gonna lie. And yeah, P4Arena all but stated that Nyarly can take the form of people's shadow. I know that, in Kanji's route, Kanji fought against his Shadow again but when he defeated him, he noted how he could actually use his Persona during the fight, which was odd 'cause wasn't his Shadow his persona? And then immediately after that, the Shadow actually sorta changed his voice from the campy-high pitched voice to a much deeper voice and was talking about how to change personas back into shadows and then just left like an asshole. I doubt that he was the character's shadows in the P4, because that doesn't exactly seem right to me. But in Arena? Yeah, that has to be him. I admit defeat! Hopefully, we'll see a bit more of Nyarly in the updated version of P4A. But yeah, Lucifer does like to change his eyes, for some reason I thought it was just a permanent red eye and a blue eye. Though, he does like to pose as other people evident in SMT IV. aaww yiss all your bases belong to us*shot* Although, you did bring up good points too We're probably gonna see more of Nyarly in either Persona 5 or the updated P4Arena, since I doubt Atlus would bring him up and just drop it. Who knows, we might even see the protagonists from Persona 1 and 2 again. That would be kinda awesome. I'm curious though, is Lucifer in the new Shin Megami Tensei game? I don't have it yet, so I have no idea.
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Post by X17Clones on Oct 13, 2013 14:46:34 GMT -8
I admit defeat! Hopefully, we'll see a bit more of Nyarly in the updated version of P4A. But yeah, Lucifer does like to change his eyes, for some reason I thought it was just a permanent red eye and a blue eye. Though, he does like to pose as other people evident in SMT IV. aaww yiss all your bases belong to us*shot* Although, you did bring up good points too We're probably gonna see more of Nyarly in either Persona 5 or the updated P4Arena, since I doubt Atlus would bring him up and just drop it. Who knows, we might even see the protagonists from Persona 1 and 2 again. That would be kinda awesome. I'm curious though, is Lucifer in the new Shin Megami Tensei game? I don't have it yet, so I have no idea. Yes he is. I'm tip-toeing around that so not to spoil anything for you.
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Post by Suki Desu on Oct 13, 2013 14:54:22 GMT -8
aaww yiss all your bases belong to us*shot* Although, you did bring up good points too We're probably gonna see more of Nyarly in either Persona 5 or the updated P4Arena, since I doubt Atlus would bring him up and just drop it. Who knows, we might even see the protagonists from Persona 1 and 2 again. That would be kinda awesome. I'm curious though, is Lucifer in the new Shin Megami Tensei game? I don't have it yet, so I have no idea. Yes he is. I'm tip-toeing around that so not to spoil anything for you. I figured as much; he seems like the kind of character that's gonna be in each of the games.
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Post by Flakk on Oct 14, 2013 10:44:07 GMT -8
It was mentioned in Black/White that Unova was built by a giant dragon (Which eventually spilt off into Reshiram and Zekrom) which could potentially be the Dark Dragon that destroyed and rebuilt the world in Mother 3. Unova could be the center as the legend is rooted in the region and Unova is far more urban than any other reigon, much like New Pork City. Plus Mother 3 seems to be a recurring theme in Black/White 1 (Certain songs being rather similar, Tessie cameoing as the Waitress sprite, Drilbur most likely being based on the Reconstructed Mole) so I kinda just made the whole thing up because I can. I'm not saying it's a sound theory, hell there is probably some aspect that I completely missed that renders it null, it's just something that popped into my head once. (I do think New Pork City is away from the Nowhere Islands as you have explored pretty much all of it by the time you go to new pork city and you get flown there.) ...wow. Because it's good or bad? To be honest I'm not sure if I'm crazy or hit gold with this thing.
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Post by Not The Water Waka on Oct 14, 2013 17:15:06 GMT -8
Because it's good or bad? To be honest I'm not sure if I'm crazy or hit gold with this thing. Meaning amazing.
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