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Post by The Chaotic Shadow on Oct 12, 2013 18:17:59 GMT -8
Objection! SEGA specifically responded to the fans to have this game "Released for Sonic's 15th Anniversary". (The idiots already had a game that year!) Granted, yes SEGA was the one who went through with the decision, but it's still initially the fans fault as well for trying to get a game rushed!
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Post by TXA on Oct 12, 2013 18:18:51 GMT -8
I don't see it. Sonic has a character that can be summed up as " I is sonic. I is fast. I heart Friendship." Tails "I fix shit and can fly". Knuckles "I have no Idea what animal I am." Amy "I am Yandere". Shadow "WANGST". Everything is wrong with this statement. Go read the comics.
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Post by Soapbar on Oct 12, 2013 18:28:28 GMT -8
Objection!SEGA specifically responded to the fans to have this game "Released for Sonic's 15th Anniversary". (The idiots already had a game that year!) Granted, yes SEGA was the one who went through with the decision, but it's still initially the fans fault as well for trying to get a game rushed! Objection! They could've said they wanted to "Polish up on the game" and fans would've listened to reason [Except the idiots]. Or they could've outright said, that it was absolute shit during play-testing, and that they need to make it non-shit. That would've made Fans understand.
As for the "They already have a game for that year". I can't belive you would actually say that. The Sonic 1 remake was utter shit and barely known because it was realeased on the game-boy in 2006 when Sonic Rush was realeased on the DS in 2004.
TAAAAAAAAAAAAKE THAT!
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Post by The Red Samurai on Oct 12, 2013 18:28:52 GMT -8
there is one massive problem with chaotic theory in sonic adventure 2 in the battle with sonic on the ark in the dark story sonic uses chaos control if your very far ahead of him and he also uses it to escape from a space capsule that would have blown up with him in it and he use chaos control with a fake chaos emerald mind you
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Post by TXA on Oct 12, 2013 18:38:39 GMT -8
Objection!SEGA specifically responded to the fans to have this game "Released for Sonic's 15th Anniversary". (The idiots already had a game that year!) Granted, yes SEGA was the one who went through with the decision, but it's still initially the fans fault as well for trying to get a game rushed! Objection! They could've said they wanted to "Polish up on the game" and fans would've listened to reason [Except the idiots]. Or they could've outright said, that it was absolute shit during play-testing, and that they need to make it non-shit. That would've made Fans understand.
As for the "They already have a game for that year". I can't belive you would actually say that. The Sonic 1 remake was utter shit and barely known because it was realeased on the game-boy in 2006 when Sonic Rush was realeased on the DS in 2004.
TAAAAAAAAAAAAKE THAT!Why don't you grow up and drop it already?
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Suki Desu
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Post by Suki Desu on Oct 12, 2013 18:46:08 GMT -8
A theory I found that was actually pretty convicing. (P3 and P4 Spoilers) Teddie is Lucifer from the Shin Megami Tensei series: This one I actually found on TvTropes and for the most part, it seems to make sense me. Anyway, the theory is that Teddie is actually an amnesiac Lucifer who got into the TV World somehow. The evidence is that:
-He resembles Lucifer- Both of them have blond hair, blue eyes and kinda pale skin. There's also the fact that, at one point, Lucifer appeared as a young woman resembling Alice; Teddie himself cross-dressed as Alice during one of the pageants. -He's the Star Arcana- Teddie is the Star Arcana, which is also the Arcana that Lucifer is. -He appeared in the Velvet Room-It's....odd how Teddie is one of , I believe, two characters that appeared in the Velvet Room(not counting the Wild Card users). The other person was Marie but she probably had a free pass because of her connection with Izanami. The game didn't really explain why or how Teddie got it, just that he got it. With him being Lucifer, its possible Igor was all like "HEY LUCIFER MY OLD POKER BUDDY" and let him into the Velvet Room. -He's one of the few shadow beings that entered the human world- Keeping with the above, its odd how Teddie managed to appear into the human world. So far no shadow has done this and about 6 others have done this: The Velvet Room Trio, Marie, Izanami and Nyx/Thanatos. The Velvet Room siblings probably get some sort of pass from being Velvet Room Residents and Marie, as mentioned before, is connected to Izanami. The other two, Izanami and Nyx, are great and powerful entities, so its possible that other grand deities do this sorta shit all the time. So what does make of Teddie? I doubt he's part of the Velvet Room since he doesn't have the same yellow eyes as the VRT does and I doubt he's the same case as Marie. It's entirely possible that he's the same case as Izanami and Nyx, that's he's a powerful deity. -Teddie shares some similarities with Pharos- Keeping with the whole Persona 3 thing, I noticed how Teddie and Pharos share some odd connections. Both of them want to be friends to the MC character and are deeply devoted to them. They also don't remember anything about themselves prior to meeting the protagonists and they both live in the Shadow World it seems. There's also how both of them are the only social links that upgraded automatically as the story goes on, barring the Fool and Judgement Arcanas. The biggest one for me is how, technically speaking, they both form a body that enables them to enter the Human World. Teddie forms a body after confronting his Shadow; Pharos, technically speaking, formed a body after all of Full Moon shadows were defeating. His body is in the form of Ryoji, who later on, is revealed to Thanatos. Its at this point that the similarity sorta ends, but with all the stuff so far, again, it's entirely possible that he is Lucifer. -Shadow Teddie and Nyalathotep (sitting in a tree~)- I'm probably wrong with this one since I'm basing it off memory and such, but I believe at one point, in the fight with Shadow Teddie, I THINK Rise said that something from the outside was helping Shadow Teddie. Now, like I said I might be wrong on this one, but if it is true, then it's entirely possible that Nyarlathotep was helping it. Why? Because he seems like the kind of guy who loves to stir shit up. And if this is the case, then Nyarl might be the cause of Lucifer losing his memories, since I don't think someone like Izanami would be able to. There's also the fact that, out of all the shadow, Shadow Teddie's voice reminds me the most of Nyarlathotep's voice, specifically the one in P4Arena. It's possible that he manifested himself as Teddie Shadow to make his dilemma even worse. Hell, it's entirely possible Nyarl tried controlling Lucifer, but found it too hard and so, he decided to erase his memory. Like I said, though, I'm basing this all from memory, so I might be wrong on this one. I'm probably wrong on everything about this XD I just posted it here since it's a theory I believe in. The theory itself I got from the Persona 4 WMG page in TvTropes.
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Post by themmm on Oct 12, 2013 19:05:55 GMT -8
The reason there are no armies coming to back up the Vic Viper in the Gradius games is because in the first game, their armies were decimated when the Vic Viper saved the day, and in the sequels, it's because they know the Vic Viper is so awesome that he can take on the Bacterions by himself, so they let him do just that.
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Post by The Chaotic Shadow on Oct 12, 2013 19:30:57 GMT -8
there is one massive problem with chaoy=tic theory in sonic adventure 2 in the battle with sonic on the ark in the dark story sonic uses chaos control if your very far ahead of him and he also uses it to escape from a space capsule that would have blown up with him in it and he use chaos control with a fake chaos emerald mind you Sonic already had a bunch of experience with the emeralds so it's understandable. However, Silver did not, and did it on his first try as if he was born with a natural connection to the Chaos Force (similar to Shadow)
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Post by The Chaotic Shadow on Oct 12, 2013 19:32:28 GMT -8
Objection! They could've said they wanted to "Polish up on the game" and fans would've listened to reason [Except the idiots]. Or they could've outright said, that it was absolute shit during play-testing, and that they need to make it non-shit. That would've made Fans understand.
As for the "They already have a game for that year". I can't belive you would actually say that. The Sonic 1 remake was utter shit and barely known because it was realeased on the game-boy in 2006 when Sonic Rush was realeased on the DS in 2004.
TAAAAAAAAAAAAKE THAT! Why don't you grow up and drop it already? Oh I'm okay with it. I'm just saying that I blame both. I still enjoy the game, and I'm happy for what it is. (I'm just a little disappointed that it could have been better)
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Post by The Chaotic Shadow on Oct 12, 2013 19:39:01 GMT -8
Objection!SEGA specifically responded to the fans to have this game "Released for Sonic's 15th Anniversary". (The idiots already had a game that year!) Granted, yes SEGA was the one who went through with the decision, but it's still initially the fans fault as well for trying to get a game rushed! Objection! They could've said they wanted to "Polish up on the game" and fans would've listened to reason [Except the idiots]. Or they could've outright said, that it was absolute shit during play-testing, and that they need to make it non-shit. That would've made Fans understand.
As for the "They already have a game for that year". I can't belive you would actually say that. The Sonic 1 remake was utter shit and barely known because it was realeased on the game-boy in 2006 when Sonic Rush was realeased on the DS in 2004.
TAAAAAAAAAAAAKE THAT!Alright, you do understand that I agree that it's SEGA's fault, right? I'm saying that it started with the idiotic fan base's demands. Also, did you really think I was talking about THAT? Did at least do some research before typing that?! I was referring to Riders, not the re-release of 1.
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Post by X17Clones on Oct 12, 2013 19:41:57 GMT -8
@suki Perhaps you forgot that Lucifer's form in the Star Arcana is before he fell. On top of that, Teddie did have a nice chit chat with Igor and I'm pretty sure Igor would have noticed something. Lucifer also generally has mismatched eye colours as well. As well, Narpy loves to pretend to be other people, so really if he had any hand in the events of Persona 3 and 4, it's creating Erebus, Nyx, and the Fog as various ways of trying to destroy the Earth in an attempt to win his bet with Philemon. On top of being the Shadows to the main characters. Anyway, having Lucifer as a major player in the Persona series would take away some of it's uniqueness from the main series of games where Lucifer generally is a major player.
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Post by The Red Samurai on Oct 12, 2013 19:44:51 GMT -8
there is one massive problem with chaoy=tic theory in sonic adventure 2 in the battle with sonic on the ark in the dark story sonic uses chaos control if your very far ahead of him and he also uses it to escape from a space capsule that would have blown up with him in it and he use chaos control with a fake chaos emerald mind you Sonic already had a bunch of experience with the emeralds so it's understandable. However, Silver did not, and did it on his first try as if he was born with a natural connection to the Chaos Force (similar to Shadow) ok one thing I feel I need to say sorry for the typo in your name my finger slipped on me when I wrote it
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Post by Soapbar on Oct 12, 2013 20:01:35 GMT -8
Objection! They could've said they wanted to "Polish up on the game" and fans would've listened to reason [Except the idiots]. Or they could've outright said, that it was absolute shit during play-testing, and that they need to make it non-shit. That would've made Fans understand.
As for the "They already have a game for that year". I can't belive you would actually say that. The Sonic 1 remake was utter shit and barely known because it was realeased on the game-boy in 2006 when Sonic Rush was realeased on the DS in 2004.
TAAAAAAAAAAAAKE THAT! Alright, you do understand that I agree that it's SEGA's fault, right? I'm saying that it started with the idiotic fan base's demands. Also, did you really think I was talking about THAT? Did at least do some research before typing that?! I was referring to Riders, not the re-release of 1. It was the "Start-Off" of the 15th Anniversery, not the main game.
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Post by Soapbar on Oct 12, 2013 20:29:35 GMT -8
Objection! They could've said they wanted to "Polish up on the game" and fans would've listened to reason [Except the idiots]. Or they could've outright said, that it was absolute shit during play-testing, and that they need to make it non-shit. That would've made Fans understand.
As for the "They already have a game for that year". I can't belive you would actually say that. The Sonic 1 remake was utter shit and barely known because it was realeased on the game-boy in 2006 when Sonic Rush was realeased on the DS in 2004.
TAAAAAAAAAAAAKE THAT! Why don't you grow up and drop it already? Alright, if your going to bring another arguement from another thread here, i might as well go all out. Sonic 06 is infamous for it's poor level design, physics, story, graphics, and oh so much more. To start off Soleanna takes forever to navigate, and looks bland and lifeless. Before you can even do a mission, you wander around the streets confused, and are then thrust into one of the many town missions the game has to offer. These Town Missions are normally required, and nessescary to move on. So it's a lot of backtracking and tedious side-missions before your thrust into your first level. Where you discover that the controls are slippier than a banana peel skating on Greasy Ice. You are then introduced to hilarious glitches, and while most are harmless, some can hinder your progress, like going through a wall, and landing in the water. You are then thrust into the hilariously shitty High-Speed Sections, where everything is lethal, and kills you, even the walls. Afterwards a rip-off of Sonic Adventure 1 occurs and it's done SHITTY. At the end, you have to hit A, and wall jump from broken planks. Which the game does not inform you about. Level Design, is the most obvious thing that's done so poorly. For example, in one stage you have to hit a booster at the peak middle. If you do not, you fly off the loop-de-loop and die. Hoo-ray. One certain Magma-Stage has you running on walls that you easily fall off of. Making you fall into the lava and die. Silver's Dusty Desert is infamous for the horrendous ball-puzzle, whos physics are so bad, that you will rage-quit more than Super Meat Boy. Speaking of Sliver, lets go through the charcters, starting with him. Slivers has telekinetic powers that can be used in Combat, and are used for puzzles and an assortment of other things. While this sounds fun at first, you find out it's a fuckfest. Sliver has to hit enemies with his Bitch-Slap to stun them and then pick them up with Telekinisis. The Bitch-Slap has such a short range, a shotgun would laugh at it. What's worse, is that Sliver has no other way of attack. Say, you know Star Wars: The Force Unleashed? You probably know that StarKillers Force Power has a limit, but if he runs out of Force Power, he can use his lightsaber to wreck ass. If Sliver had a weaker homing attack, or a weapon of some sort, then he would be redeemed, but sadly no. Shadows gameplay is combat oriented, allowing him to mount vechlies and perform "Combos". And by combos, i mean mash the same button repeadtly to win. It's worse than Sonic Unleashed. All you do is Mash A untill the thing dies. Veichiles are even worse, as they all control shittly. The Jeep in one stage can actually filp over, and you have no way of filpping it back up. His Motercycle section in another stage controls worse than in Shadow The Hedgehog. But the most infamous is the Hovercraft. In one stage you have to drive a Hovercraft on water, and it's so shitty i can't even talk about it. And of course, theirs the one-hundred GAZILLON side characters, who are either carbon copies of other characters, are are played shitty. Tails is the most obvious as he attacks with Fake Rings. How threating. Rouge and Knuckles get stuck to walls. Blaze is just a carbon copy of Shadow. Omega is infinate hover + Ranged Shadow. Etc. Etc. Lets talk about boss battles shall we? Need i say anything else? Finally, we have the INFAMOUS, final level. To start off, Sonic is dead, and Blaze has died, meaning the two "Best" characters are not playable. Wormholes appear EVERYWHERE, and at random, and are insta-kill. So it's a game of memorization, and luck. Then the final boss, but before so, Ruined Childhoods. The First Phase, you have to do a specific order, and the first character you have to start with, is not the character you start off playing. Great Thinking on that SEGA! The Second Phase is "Meh" at best, and yes, the music is kickass, i will not deny that. Thunderhog, i need reasons, when you said that it's your second favorite Sonic Game, you provided no reasons as to why, so give me REASONS!
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Suki Desu
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Post by Suki Desu on Oct 12, 2013 20:47:36 GMT -8
@suki Perhaps you forgot that Lucifer's form in the Star Arcana is before he fell. On top of that, Teddie did have a nice chit chat with Igor and I'm pretty sure Igor would have noticed something. Lucifer also generally has mismatched eye colours as well. As well, Narpy loves to pretend to be other people, so really if he had any hand in the events of Persona 3 and 4, it's creating Erebus, Nyx, and the Fog as various ways of trying to destroy the Earth in an attempt to win his bet with Philemon. On top of being the Shadows to the main characters. Anyway, having Lucifer as a major player in the Persona series would take away some of it's uniqueness from the main series of games where Lucifer generally is a major player. 1)Helel is still Lucifer. Just another form really. Even then, Louis Cypher resembles more the Helel persona than the Lucifer one. 2)Knowing Igor, he probably DID notice, but didn't show it; he only has one expression it seems. 3)I'm looking through his designs and only in his appearance in Strange Journey does he has mismatched eyes; the rest are blue or atleast a very light blue. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough, but it seems blue to me. Besides, even in his Adult form, he still does blue eyes, so that's something. 4)I don't think Nyarly did that much. I mean, he probably gave them a little push but that's probably about it. Also, last I checked, wasn't stuff like the Fall because of Mitsuru's grandfather? And I don't think he was the shadows either. The only case I can think of that was in Persona 4 Arena. (probably not even making sense)
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